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just found you

2007-12-22T23:04:09Z

shes the time space continuim thought ...//...thats what the spiral is to me ...now I'm gonna read the forum ILOVESPIRALPIX

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Spiral Breath

2006-08-16T20:44:53Z

I have taken a class that, in part, taught a form of breath that they called "anal breathing." I know, not a particularly appealing name. The principle seemed sound.

See, most people breath into the chest without making much use of the diaphragm. This could be because vanity has us holding our stomachs tight or it could have something to do with closed chakras or whatever. Anyway, I and others I know have been taught to try to overcome this and return to diaphragm breathing by breathing into the belly.

This belly breathing, while better than chest breathing, is still not optimum. Hence anal breathing. When the diaphragm pulls down, if it pulls completely, it will push organs in the belly out, but also down, and so pushes down the torso. With a hand on the anus or perennium, you can actually fell the downward push if you breathe all the way down.

I thought there must be a better way to describe this than "anal breathing." And I realized it is really "root breathing." Breathing all the way down to the root chakra. I like the sound of that a lot better. So, anyway, root breathing makes optimal use of the diaphragm and thus is better than mere belly breathing.

Then I watched water emptying out of a drain and spiraling downward and I thought: When air or water fill a new container, they don't go evenly in. Rather, they spiral into it. So, I wondered if, when we breathe in, the air spirals into our lungs and then spirals its way out again?

I know the lungs aren't an empty vessel waiting to be filled. Rather, they work more like a hypodermic needle, with the plunger acting like the diaphragm. When you exhale, it is because there IS no room for the air in the lungs because the space is being eliminated by the movement of the diaphragm. Stil, even in the plunger/hypo model, it is still possible there is some spiral motion going on during inhale and exhale. I'd be curious to see if any biologists know for a fact if the air in the lungs swirls in and out, or moves in a more direct line in and out.

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Viktor Schauberger, Spiral, Implosion, Vortex, Nature.. on googlevideo..

2006-07-11T10:41:38Z

Here are two documentaries on Viktor Schauberger, the Vortex, the spiraling meandering movement in water, implosion, and all that.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1598503208400404583&q=schauberger
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4770477589537728517&q=schauberger

also there are 2 others in german:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4475657609290019878&q=schauberger
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4379490804419578365&q=schauberger

and one in french
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2497676067013620502&q=schauberger

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spiral universe...

2006-05-10T17:26:45Z

...If one observes the universe as a whole ie. from 'big bang' to black (w)hole as it were, a form of motion is evident that Viktor Schauberger called 'cycloid spiral space curve- motion'. He also referred to it as the 'original' motion; not only in a primordial sense, but often as a 'form creating' dynamic.

The archetypal form of which depicting the creation of sucessive universes, the 'cycloid spiral space curve' embodies an initial out- breathing, centrifugal, curving expansion of undiscriminating, creative energy (unconditional love) from a point, which results in the generation of countless individualities and energetic systems. In 'The Secret Docterine', Helena P. Blavatsky describes this phenomenon stating that, ..."An out- breathing of the 'unknown essence' produces the world and an inhalation causes it to dissapear..."

It's culmanation is an inbreathing, centripetal implosion of the concentrated energies and experience of the created individualities who now seek reunion with their source, the ECI (Eternally creative intelligence), bringing back with them all the myriad experiences they have gained. Once all has reverted to the ECI via the black (w)hole, then that universe, or that part of the universe at the end of the black (w)hole, leaves our space time and enters a highly etereal continuum, the magnitudes and dimensions of which we cannot conceive...

~What happens then is open to all manner of speculation. Possibly the new experiential information is absorbed and digested by the ECI in order to create a new universe. The very word 'universe' signifies a single curve (uni=one versum= curve). The very fact that the configuration of this curve may be a complex combination of ascending and descending, involuting and convoluting, expanding and contracting spiral movements does nothing to detract from it's uniqueness or unit quality, since from inception to culmanation, it's path is continuous.
The curve is an energy path, and the esscence of energy is ceaseless movement. In it''s eternal trajectory from spirit to matter (outward breath) and from matter to spirit (inward breath) it permeates all creation. it IS all creation...

Apart from it's inherent pulsation, it would be impossible to dissect this eternal movement into discreet sections, for at the point at which one point of this sublime curve ceases and the next begins cannot be defined mathematically, whatever the subjective view. Therefore, this unique, primordial creative curve embodies the unbroken path of evolution, of cyclical, pulsating out- foldment and in- foldment, as it spirals in and out of all the myriads of apparently inextricable interconnected and interdependant individual systems in the cosmos, tying and untying them in ont inscrutable Gordian Knot. We are therefore unequivocally all part and parcel of the One; and any harm of whatever kind we inflict on ourselves or to the planet, we not only inflict on ourselves, but the rest of the cosmos as well.

This creative force and it's dynamic have already long been known to Eastern esotericism and is referred to by Mme Blavatsky as follows...

KUNDALINI SHAKTI:
"...The power or Force which moves in a curved path. It is the universal life force manifesting everywhere in nature. This force includes two graet forces of attraction and repulsion. Electricity and magnetizm are but manifestations of it. This is the power which brings about that 'continuous adjustment of internal relations to external relations' which is the essence of life according to Herbert Spencer, and that 'continuous adjustment of external relations', which is the basis for the transmigration of souls, punar ianman (re- birth) in the docterines of ancient Hindu philosophers'

Even the tools of common language unwittingly (or wittingly) allude to the character of this spiral movement. When we ex- (s)pire, we leave this our 'mortal coil'. We are in- spire-d, we feel drawn to our higher ideals. Our spir(e)it is raised, and we are sucked into the upward spiral. Similarly through
re- spi(e)ation, the ionization balence of the body (which varies according to the time of day) is adjusted by the proportional ionization of air indrawn through the nostrills, which due to opposite directions of rotation, is negatively ionizedby the left nostril and positively by the right nostril. Sneezing, therefore, may perhaps be a compensating process, through which high opposing charges resulting from over- ionization are reduced to zero.

Interestingly enough, while on the subject of the body, the German word for spinal column is 'wirbelsaule', which directly translated into English means a 'spiral' column. Similarly each one of the vertebra is referred to as a whirlpool or vortex. Clearly the Germans have long held a completely different view of the centeral structure of our bodies; whereas we see it as a more or less rigid physical structure, they see it as more of an 'energy path'...

...This has obvious asscosiations with the Hindu concept of Kundalini; the name given to the two seprents that dwell at the base of the spine, whose rizing energies spiritualize the various higher chakras (ethereal vortices) of the physical body, and whose entwinement on Mercury's staff (the caduceus) empowers him as messenger of the Gods.

Nature too provides us with countless examples of dynamic spiral growth and movement in the form of galaxies, cyclones, whirlpools and tornadoes, of which we, in our blindness, and arrogance fail to take note of in the persuit of mechanical perfection.

According to the late Tilman Schauberger, grandson and expert on Victor Schauberger's works, creative, formative motion is...

..."Open, goal orinted, structured, concentrated, intensifying, dynamic, self organizing, self divesting of the less valuable, rhytmical, cyclical, sinuous, pulsating and centripetal = the cycloid spiral space curve..."

...As the will to create intensifies, the focus becomes more concentrated, extraneous elements are rejected and a channel is opened up to the free passage of creative energy, resulting in an increasing charge (life force), energetic density and rotational velocity, in other words, a vortex of life energy evolves.........
.......From this, it could be construed that it is due to the interaction of manifold harmonic vibrations ultimately resulting into tight radius and extreme rotational velocity that material existance emerges.

*Taken from Callum Coates 'Living Energies' based on the works of Viktor Schauberger...

Blessings...
:) Kro

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A Tropical Rain Forest Event

2006-03-13T02:24:43Z

Hello,

I’m letting all of the tribes know about a regional event coming up soon – Rebirth. Burning Man, but rather than radical desert survival – radical tropical rain forest survival. Details of the event can be found here:

http://www.kapilina.org/bigisland/rebirth2006.html

Hawaii… Fire spinning capital of the world… Big Island… Hot tub ponds heated by thermal vents… Black Sand Beaches… LAVA… REAL LAVA! And a Burning Man regional event.

I’ve tried to figure out how to reduce costs as much as possible for everyone coming over from the mainland (if you can think of anyother suggestions please post):

Rideshare thread from the airport to puna here:
http://kapilina.tribe.net/thread/5438fe28-b674-4c10-9bed-3334aae6f4e3

Cheap Airfare From Mainland:
vacations.travelzoo.com/hawaii.../229965

www.airtech.com/specials.html

Shipping Art/Supplies:
http://kapilina.tribe.net/thread/daca9206-f7a4-4c58-a763-49b96731a584

Again if you know cheaper means please repost. See you all there!

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Reiki and Spiralism

2005-11-05T00:17:27Z

So, I attended a Reiki workshop last weekend and learned the Reiki power symbol is a spiral (well, it's a little more than that, but mostly it is a spiral).

~Ken~

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Evidence of spiralism in nature?

2005-07-18T03:21:04Z

One piece of evidence is the DNA structure, a double helix. I tend to think that since tendencies repeat in more complex ways as reality spirals outward (and inward), we can look at our fundamental building blocks as being symbolic of the larger picture. Like maybe a double spiral would more closely capture the nature of reality than a single spiral.

Which reminds me of a story I started writing years ago, an alternative creation myth, which starts like this:

In the beginning were the two forces, Joinder and Separation. Joinder was the force of joining (attraction, unity) and Separation was the urge of separating (repulsion, independence). And the force of joining, following its nature, pursued the force of separation. And the force of separation, true to its nature, fled the force of separation. And thus a mighty race ensued. But not a race across the universe, for there was no universe. There was nothing but these two forces to race through, they were all that existed. And so they necessarily existed adjacent to each other, for there was no space to exist between them. And so their race did not look like a race, but rather like a dance, as each move by Joining toward Separation was responded to with an opposite and equal move by Separation. And thus the chase gave the appearance of an intricate and serpentine dance.

And this dance continued and accelerated, growing more intricate as Joining tried in more and more ways to merge with Separation, as Separation equally strived to remain unmerged.

And in a cunning move, Joinder surrounded Separation on all sides, leaving it no escape, and then began to contract, to close in on all sides. And Separation sought the only path of escape, to compress inward ever smaller and smaller. And so the dancing chase continued until Separation was compressed into a frantic, energized point of existence, facing defeat and consumption. And in this state of compression, Separation's fundamental longing was most intense, the longing for separation. And at the instant before defeat, this longing looked in on itself and saw its path to freedom and it acted.

In that instant, Separation took all of its power and exploded mightily, spreading itself into a seemingly infinite number of separate particles all racing outward at seemingly infinite speed, slicing through Joinder before Joinder could react and consume them (consume, from Separation's perspective; merge, from Joinder's perspective).

And Joinder found itself particlized by the explosion, carried away from the center point that had been Separation in every direction at near infinite speed. And the particles of Joinder sought to consume (or merge with) the particles of Separation even as they sought joinder with each other.

And so the Universe was born, filled with tiny particles of Joinder and Separation, attracting and repulsing each other, chasing and dancing and merging and destructing.

Now these particles had little understanding of what they were, for each only had a proportionate share of the comprehension that had belonged to the unified Joinder and the unified Separation. And that proportionate measure was infinitely small. And yet it was just enough for them to continue to act as their nature dictated.

And so countless dancing chases continued throughout the universe. But this time some chases were won, and some were lost, creating complex permutations from the essential forces of Joinder and Separation. And so the universe dances and chases its way through eternity.

END (so far)

Well, after some time, I made another attempt at a creation myth which is rather similar, and goes like this:

Long before man, long before there were galaxies, there was only Joy, clad in white, and Sorrow, clad in black. And they raced each other through the nothingness, creating Space as they went... But neither drew ahead, and neither fell behind.

And Joy asked, 'To where do we race, Sorrow?"
And Sorrow answered, 'We have no destination, this race cannot end.'
And Joy replied, 'Then I will choose my destination.'
And Sorrow answered, 'You cannot, for naught exists but us and so there exists no destination."
And Joy replied, 'We will create a destination.'
And Sorrow answered, 'It is a futile effort, for neither of us can win such a race. We are joined together and together, there is no space between us."
And Joy replied, 'How can that be, for we are separate?"
And Sorrow said, 'Look closer, we are not separate. For I am your reflection, your shadow and wheresoever you go, so will I be there. You see, we are both truly alone and pretending otherwise.'
And Joy replied, 'Reflections we may be, yet I also perceive you as separate, so there is some separateness we do possess.'
And Sorrow replied, 'You may call it that, yet still we are partly joined and so I will not race with you further, for such a race is pointless. We are doomed to pointlessly race or to pointlessly remain here. What else can we do?'
And Joy said, 'We can dance.'

And so Joy and Sorry moved their separateness with each other and in unison. And the dance grew faster and more complex. The patterns of Joy and Sorrow were exquisite to behold, spirals within spirals within spirals. And they added touches to each other as part of the dance. And first Joy, then Sorrow, added their voices to the dance. And soon they were dancing so fast that one could scarcely tell where they were separate and where they were joined. They were a blur of rhythmic motion.

And Sorrow, unexpectedly, felt a new feeling. An urgent brightness welling up in side. Sorrow felt Joy within its separate parts. And it felt good. And Sorrow sang, 'What is this? Our dance has us merging, for I have felt that which was separate from me for all this time.'

And Joy answered, with its own song, 'Yes, I can feel you within me, as well, for I feel Sorrow at the thought that this dance may end.'

And Sorrow sang back, 'And I feel Joy that this dance may continue forever.'

And they continued their dance even faster, with more urgency. And eventually Sorrow sang, 'We are becoming one, and it gives me joy such as I have never felt. Yet I fear when we are one, will we not then have lost our separateness and be truly alone?'

And Joy answered, 'I feel that too, and while my joy grows at our dance, yet this new sense of sorrow frightens me. But I will bear it for the joy of the dance.'

And Sorrow answered, 'And so shall I.'

And so they danced, and merged, and eventually felt themselves coming fully together. And one said to the other, "Let not the dance end with us standing here alone, as one being. Let us dance forever this way." And it is not known who was speaking, for they were so close to being one at that time. And one said, "We must pull free from this joining if we are to continue our dance." But they were too weak.

And as their joy neared climax, and they were almost completely joined as one, their joy, and their sorrow at the imminent end of their dance, both climbed to infinite heights, and explosion of feeling. And they both harnessed that explosion, channeled it into a will to remain separate so that they could dance.

And they exploded apart, in a burst of color and texture and sound and sensory delights humans have not the ability to perceive. And eons passed. And stars formed, and planets. And the joy within these things pulled at each other. And dark matter existed, and the sorrow within these things pulled at each other. For like calls out to like.

And a conscious thought arose. "I exist. I am Joy." And this being felt all the diverse parts of itself spread throught the newly formed Universe. All the parts of joy, it could feel and control, with effort. And it roamed the Universe, to see what it had wrought. And to find Sorrow.

Chapter 2

Joy found a curious thing in this new Universe. When it stopped to study the bits of matter floating around, which it perceived as bits of itself, it saw bits of Sorrow within it, to the smallest particle. And it was pleased. But it still did not hear Sorrow's voice.

Billions of years passed as Joy took stock of the Universe, marveling at the wonder of otherness. At things separate from itself, yet part of itself, moving and changing and exploding and colliding. And it thought, "Now I will forever dance and the dance will be new to me."

Eventually, some of Joy's parts had their own, seemingly independent, conscious thoughts. Joy could sense a billion pinpricks of hunger, of thirst, of pain, of tiredness, of death. And it went to see these rogue parts that were developing their own minds, and to seek fellowship with them.

END (so far)

I had planned a third chapter to the Joy/Sorrow story which brings Joy to Earth where it finds Sorrow already there. Sorrow and Joy discuss the evolution of Life. Sorrow fears it, Joy looks forward to it with curiosity.

Eventually, Sorrow makes contact with life and assume the role of the God of Moses and Mohammed and Joy becomes cast as Lucifer. But all is not as it seems for there are even more twists as the true nature of Joy and Sorrow and their own servile place in reality are uncovered. And what do they serve? We'll see...

Anyway, within humanity the double helix is the evidence of our own rise from this dancing, spiraling chase between Joy and Sorrow.

You will note that the selection of Joy and Sorrow as the fundamental dualities was entirely arbitrary. They could just as easily have been Black and White or High and Low or In and Out or Motion and Stillness or countless other dualities. Which is a subtle clue as to how the Joy/Sorrow novel unfolds.

~Ken~

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On magic and miracles...

2005-07-17T07:37:19Z

Funny, it shouldn't take a miracle for God to walk on water or part the Red Sea. I mean, he's God for Christ's sake. He created the laws of nature, so he damn well should know where the off switches are.

Saying God's parting of the Red Sea is a miracle is like saying a plumber who fixes a leaky faucet performs a miracle, just because you without any expertise in plumbing cannot figure it out yourself.

And why is it that when God does something magical, we call it a miracle, but when humans do something miraculous, we call it magic? Like the word "miracle" means "God's magic" and the word "magic" means "a miracle performed by a non-God."

The way language developed holds many hidden clues to how people think, to our unspoken perceptions of reality. If you can figure out why we decided, as a species, to create a special word for God's magic and, in fact, seem to refuse to call his magic "magic" at all, but treat it as something different, you will probably uncover some deep truth about man's relationship to God (or to the idea of god).

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The inspiration for spiralism...

2005-06-23T19:23:34Z

For those interested, spiralism is, to some degree, a fusion of and, in part, a recognition of overlapping ideas, from various paths I have looked into from:

1) Western logic (my undegraduate degree in philosophy, focused mostly on symbolic logic).

2) Western psychology (my other undergraduate degree in psychology)

3) Taoism

4) Tantra

5) Buddhism

6) Wicca

7) Yoga

8) Various schools of motivation, transformation and personal growth

9) Various new age philosophies and spiritual ideas (from readings such as Illusions and the Celestine Prophecy)

10) Since I was raised Lutheran, presumably some Christian-based ideas may have snuck in despite the fact that I am very opposed to doctrinal Christianty and find it to be a harmful influence on humanity (as are most doctrinal religions).

11) Personal reflection, both while sober and on various psychedelics. Having degrees in philosophy and psychology, I've always been engaged in thinking and debating these ideas and have come up with some that are original to me (though perhaps they are not original to the world if some one else has had similar ideas). I've written literally thousands of pages of philosophical essays on various topics. I also had a moment of clarity when I was meditating and became one with the universe. It was quite a rush, like walking on a cloud. After 3 days, my sense of self started collapsing back to normal. Ah, well, I'll find my way there again one day, if that is my karma.

Anyway, it turns out every spiritual path I've looked into has had elements that just did not ring true for me, and other parts that did. Like I really liked taoism until I was exposed to a seeming taoist obsession with longevity and immortality and healing. From my brief time of enlightenment, I recall that the fear of sickness and death are gone. Those who fear death and focus all their energy on cheating death cannot be very enlightened in my experience.

Spiralist thought: If the goal of life is to avoid death, then life has been turned into a game that can ONLY be lost. You have to do a paradigm shift. The goal of life is not to avoid death, but to live well with whatever time you are given. If you do that, then life becomes a game that anyone can win, no matter how short their life.

Anyway, all that is some explanation for why I came to formulate my own philosophy / spirituality that takes ideas from various sources and, at the same time, leaves open the room for doubt, skepticism, debate and adjustment of any ideas when better ideas come along.

Spiralism will, let's be clear, steal any good ideas from other spiritual paths as appropriate. Chakras? Earth Mother Gaia? Gong meditations? Spirit quests? Shamanistic rituals? Tantric breathwork leading to enhanced orgasmic potential? All of these and more can be part of spiralism.

We are a patchwork quilt made of the most beautiful scraps of cloth we can find. Feel free to wrap yourself in our quilt and add your own scraps of wisdom.

~Ken~

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Makes Sense

2005-06-23T18:09:30Z

What I like about this observation set (I hesitate to call it a philosophy), is how much sense it makes to me. So much of what I see in my own personal life looks like cycles, tendencies and gravitational attraction and repulsion. What goes around, comes around, while a triteful truism, has truth.

I think I'm learning that observing the cycles in ones own life allows you to be more aware as they happen again. They will happen again (both the good and bad) and perhaps the spiral can be outward (or upward) this time.

I think of the personal spiral as being outward or inward (or perhaps downward). Certainly there is truth to the idea of the downward spiral in ones life. As someone who deals with depression, I know this all too well. And conversely, I see the effect of reaching outward to influence the spiral.

I'm very much in agreement with Ken, its not a matter of faith, but of observation.

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Spiral Force

2005-06-22T19:38:27Z

Everything we experience is made of Spiral Force.
What is Spiral Force?

Spiral Force is part of the Trinity of the God Particle.
All energy is made of three parts- The Point, The Sphere, and The Spiral Force.
The God Particle is also called "the inverted spheroid" or inviso concho.

Spiral force is the foundation of consciousness.
Spiral force is the zone wherein two things unite to lose themselves into a third thing (also called love)

The Sphere is Space. It is female.
The Point or Ray is Time. It is male.
The spiral is both curved and straight. It is the child. It is consciousness.
And basically, everything we percieve in our physical world is: Consciousness.

So, here I AM writing this, because this is a pretty cool tribe, comparitvely.

Any questions?

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On analogies

2005-05-27T19:19:11Z

Analogies have a special place in spiralism. This is because when you recognize the spiral (or fractal) nature of reality, you see that what is happening now is a more complex version of what has already happened over and over again at smaller levels and will happen again and again at larger levels.

This ties into the principle that tendencies repeat while actualities are unique. You are unique. But the tendencies that surround you have been around a really long time (maybe forever).

Anyway, the point is that we can learn about ourselves by looking at anything else; and we can learn about other things by looking at ourselves.

Take evolution. We look back and see that at some point life with gills evolved to be life with lungs. If you buy into evolution. And a lot of people have a hard time with that. Because it seems like such a drastic change. And it seems like something too complex to have happened by random mutation. Who randomly mutates a whole new respiratory system? No one I know, that's for sure.

Anyway, to understand what is outside of us, what came before, we need only look at ourselves. See, a billion years from now, some alien intelligence could be digging through our ruins trying to figure out how a biological species suddenly developed complex new metallic mechanical systems. And they won't be able to figure it out.

We are evolving right now, always. Evolution is all around us, all the time. Just because we are not growing a third eye or wings does not mean we are not evolving. In fact, evolution is often invisible to the being that is evolving because it is too close to the picture. Right now we are evolving into some form of half-man, half-machine. We are just too close to the picture to see it.

Anyway, the point is that if you ask how we evolved these mechanical systems, you might be told, "we did not evolve them. We invented them. We look around, saw what was needed, then tried to figure out how to produce it and eventually we succeeded. It was human drive, human intelligence, human invention. Not evolution."

Hah! The funny thing is, this is evolution. And maybe we can learn from our own experience how it happened in the past. Maybe this is how the first fish evolved lungs. They though, "We need a respiratory system that can handle gas instead of liquid," and they put their minds to it -- perhaps having better conscious control of their biological process at the cellular or subcellular level -- and eventually they succeeded.

This form of analogizing (or, some may say, anthropomorphizing) makes what seemed hopelessly implausible suddenly seem as possible as, say, man walking on the moon.

So fish evolved lungs because they chose to. And porcupines evolved spines because they chose to. And giraffes evolved long necks because they chose to.

Yes, there were real world difficulties and problems that made these creatures choose as they did. So you could say giraffes evolved long necks because their food source was so high up. But that takes choice out of the equation. Giraffes could have chosen to adapt to eat bark or something else lower to the ground. They didn't. Instead, they chose to adapt to reach those higher leaves.

Once you see evolution as a process of conscious choice, it adds a funny perspective to the creation / evolution debate. Because not only are both true, but both are synonymous. See, some people say both are true to mean some godly being created an infant Earth and then life on this planet evolved through natural forces. But when I say both are true, I mean that at every step of the way, life on this planet has chosen how to adapt to deal with obstacles and has been actively participating in the creation of new life on this planet.

One implication of this perspective is that while creation is true, it is not over. God is still creating the universe, in that all parts of reality are fragments of God trying to sculpt the future of existence. Just like people try to sculpt their futures and those of their children.

Anyway, evolution is a powerful and magical thing, and is one of the more important phenomena for spiralists to consider, reflect upon and seek to understand.

(Note that some of these statements seem to imply a linear, causal time line. Rest assured spiralism recognizes that this is an overly simplistic, albeit occassionally useful, view of time.)

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On fractalism...

2005-05-27T18:24:28Z

I recognize that, in fact, the concept of fractalism may more closely capture the essence of how the universe branches out in ever growing complexity. A spiral is a type of fractal, where the fractal is based on a curve. But fractals recognize that you can have a pattern of progressive complexity with many permutations other than the simple spiral.

Nevertheless, I prefer to call this spiritual path spiralism to implicitly recognize that what we are doing in trying to "boil down" spiritual truths into some form that can be communicated in mere words is a form of simplification. To care about creating or passing along spiritual truths, you must embrace the idea of simplifying the truth into a form that can be related to others. Hoping, while you do so, that those others will realize the greater unspoken ramifications of your words.

So, too, do I hope that those who embrace spiralism recognize that the universe is in the process of spiraling outward in so many directions, in so many patterns all overlapping and simultaneous, that it is infinitely more complex than a mere spiral; that the true picture is much closer to a fractal and that we refer to the spiral universe only because that is a simplified version of what is happening and can be readily illustrated to others through words and pictures.

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The blank page...

2005-05-27T18:14:23Z

Spiralism is, and should remain, a work in progress. I think it is very important to have a spiritual path that incorporates an important scientific illustration: The image of a man trying to figure out the insides of a clock from what he sees on the outside.

See, good scientists (like Einstein) recognize that reality is like a clock where scientists study the clock to try to figure out what is going on inside. Why do the hands move in certain ways? Why does it chime at certain times?

But what is important to keep in mind is this: We can never know if we have correctly figured out what the inside of the clock looks like, or how the clock is really operating. This is because there are always multiple explanations for what you see on the outside. As one example, the turning hands of the clock could be caused by 2 large gears inside. Or by 4 smaller gears. Or by 1,000 tiny gears.

When scientists agree on a scientific "law," this limitation must be kept in mind. For example, the law of gravity is just one way of guessing what is going on behind the scenes of reality. Newton says something like, "Maybe there's an invisible force between objects that pulls them together relative to their mass?" Scientists research it, and this theory is consistent with how matter behaves, from the Earth circling the Sun to the Moon circling the Earth, to apples falling from trees.

But consider it is just as possible to construct a world view where physics uses an alternative theory to the idea of gravity. What if we suppose there are no invisible forces acting like magic between objects but, rather, all movement is self-directed by the moving objects themselves? And the reason two objects move towards each other as if pulled by gravity is really because matter loves matter and these objects are choosing to move towards each other? And the reason gravitational pull is stronger with bigger objects is because bigger objects have more matter to love and be loved, which causes other objects to feel a stronger longing to be close to the bigger objects? You could construct a whole system of physics that replaces gravity with the idea that all matter is conscious and self-motivated and moves towards other matter from a sense of universal love AND IT WOULD WORK!!

I'm not saying the latter approach is better or simpler. Maybe it would be a trillion times more complicated in practice. But the important thing to keep in mind is that, in fact, no one knows that gravity exists. We know only that gravity seems to work for the moment as the best (i.e., simplest) explanation put forth so far to explain why objects move towards each other and, for now, that suffices. But any good scientist should readily admit that they are willing to chuck the law of gravity in the trash can if a better theory comes along, or if evidence arises to show the law is wrong.

You want proof? Well, just a century ago, scientists did decide to replace Newtonian physics with Einsteinian physics (admittedly, there was substantial overlap so Newtonian physics were not totally discarded). There was resistance, yes, but in the end the change over was made.

For perspective, this is like the Catholic Church deciding to scrap the Ten Commandments of Moses because they find that they don't really work in every situation and, in fact, the Eighty-Five Suggestions of Bucky Walthorpe better encapsulate a useful moral code for living. Of course, the Catholic Church could not do this. It is a spiritual path that has committed itself to a supposed "absolute" source for truth and wisdom. And that is its greatest flaw.

That is one of the great things about science. It is not a collection of laws, but a collection of theories (some of which are called "laws" because they are really, really, really good theories). And science stands ever ready to abandon the old and embrace the new if circumstances warrant.

I've heard devout religious types claim science is, itself, just another form of religion; that scientists having faith in science is akin to Christians having faith in the Bible. But it is absolutely not the same. That's the whole point. Scientists do not have faith. They have evidence and reason and, occasionally, hope.

Anyway, the bottom line is to avoid a faith-based spiritual path. To find a spiritual path that incorporates the great scientific perspective of being ready to adapt and change based on new ideas and experiences and observations. That is one of the ideals of spiralism.

I called this thread the "blank page" because the upshot of all this is that any spiralist can have a part in deciding what spiralism is, if their ideas have merit and hold up to scrutiny. In the book of spiralism, there will always be blank pages left to be written on.

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